Fredericksburg ARB Calls For Authentic Courthouse
The Fredericksburg Architectural Review Board tabled a vote on the Certificate of Appropriateness for materials used for the proposed courthouse and almost revisited its 4-3 vote made in March to approve the design.
Fredericksburg's Architectural Review Board did not seem happy with the construction materials proposed for the city's new downtown courthouse complex and came close Monday night to revisiting its March split vote to approve the design of the building.
After careful consideration of the code, ARB members unanimously decided to table the vote on a Certificate of Appropriateness for the construction of the new courthouse complex on Princess Anne Street instead of revisiting its March 4-3 vote to approve the design. Members expressed concerns during Monday night's meeting in City Hall chambers about the construction materials, lack of a flagpole for an American flag, the windows, pre-fabricated cupola, the sallyport and any signage that would identify it as a courthouse.
"We Don't Want A Velveeta Building"
None of the speakers during the public hearing was supportive of the materials that are proposed for the complex, and all of them questioned the scale of the building even though it wasn't necessarily on the public hearing agenda.
Former Fredericksburg Mayor Bill Beck, who lives behind the proposed courthouse site, said he doesn't mind the location on Princess Anne Street and he thinks it is the best spot for a new courthouse.
"We all have to be honest and recognize the scale is not appropriate," he said. "The scale is too large."
At nearly 80,000 square feet, the courthouse complex is more than double the next-largest structure downtown, he said. Beck urged the ARB to reconsider its 4-3 vote because City Council will take a new look at the scale of this project when there is the election changeover in July. He questioned why some synthetic construction materials were proposed and the pre-fabricated cupola.
"We don't want a Velveeta building," Beck said. "We want the real thing."
James O. McGhee, a local architect, asked why the design includes so many fake elements and prefabricated materials. The materials and design have nothing to do with Fredericksburg, he said, and added that he is insulted by what has been proposed by the design-build team First Choice. McGhee said he doesn't see any passion in the materials and interior or any special experiences for visitors to this future complex. He turned to the members of the design-build team and asked, "What single element in this building are you passionate about enough to bring your grandchildren back to show them and brag about? As a citizen, I think this building as presented is an insult, and as an architect I am embarrassed."
Paul Scott said he is is in favor of this project, but the size should be reconsidered.
Matt Kelly, who will take office in July and form a new majority that plans to reconsider the scale and design of the courthouse project, said that the ARB will be a part of the decision-making process and their concerns won't be ignored like they were before.
"We are talking about the single-largest project in the city's history here this evening," Kelly said.
Kelly said the city will construct a new courthouse, and it will probably be at the proposed location on Princess Anne Street, but the quality and size of the project are up in the air when the new majority takes office. Kelly asked the ARB to be flexible in its decision-making process and let City Council revisit this project.
"I think I am very comfortable telling you that the council will be reviewing this project," Kelly said. "Where that goes is still up in the air and open for discussion. I made my positions on this pretty clear: I think the scale and massing is too large and I think we are going too far in meeting the court's needs."
Sean Maroney, executive director of Historic Fredericksbrg Foundation Inc., said the public process so far has had undertones of manifest destiny. Criticism that was offered was largely ignored and he thought the process was disturbing.
"It was going to happen no matter what," he said. "We have a real opportunity to consider these things still. It is not a done deal. We do have the power to say 'stop and let's review this.'"
Fake Limestone and No Flagpole?
ARB member Owen Lindauer said that none of the materials for the courthouse complex seemed to share any identity with Fredericksburg. He questioned why the design-build architects want to use fake limestone for the base over local stone.
Andrew Moore, the design-build team architect who answered most of the ARB's questions, first appeared stumped, an apparent admission that they never even considered using local materials to build a courthouse in the historic district.
Moore said brick is very common in Virginia and it could be considered a local product. As for the fake limestone base, he said the team is open to considering other options. But the fake limestone is more durable than real stone, he cautioned.
"I think it is a fair question and I think we can look into that to see if we can find a natural stone alternative," he said.
Lindauer also asked why there isn't a flagpole in the renderings and wondered if the city's new courthouse would even have a flag flying on the property.
Moore said there is very little space available for anything else on the property, so it's possible a flagpole could be inside the main entrance and visible from outside through the glass windows. He said it is also possible that a flag could be on the cupola. Lindauer also said the renderings do not show any signage that it is a courthouse.
"I would agree that is a design feature that we need to have," Moore said.
ARB member Kerri Barile said she looked at the design for the Colonial Heights courthouse that these architects developed and found it nearly identical to the city's complex. But she wanted to know how that design and the products used for construction fit Fredericksburg's unique historic downtown character.
The architect who authored the Colonial Heights design, who later declined to offer his name to a reporter, said the designs are similar, but not identical.
Revisiting The March Vote
The background on why the ARB voted 4-3 in March to support the scale and design of the courthouse project was clarified the following day at a City Council meeting, at which ARB Chairman Jamie Scully read a prepared statement that was critical of the public process. Scully said the only reason members decided to approve the certificate was because of language in the ordinance that states that the applicant, which is the City of Fredericksburg, can appeal the ARB decision to City Council, and the majority of council has already shown its full support of the project. One of the main objectives of the ARB is to determine if a project is compatible with the city's historic district.
On Monday night, ARB member Jon Van Zandt made a motion to open discussion of revisiting that split vote to approve the design. ARB member J. Gordon Brown also wanted to revisit the March vote.
Lindauer thought it seemed dubious to revisit the vote because the only thing that is different than in March is that a new council member will take office in July to form a new majority that apparently plans to revisit the courthouse project's scale and design. Lindauer cautioned that ARB members should stay out of that political process, let the City Council review run its course, and vote only on the matter before them, which was the Certificate of Appropriateness for the materials of the courthouse complex.
"I believe when we voted on the scale and massing that most of us were not happy with that," Brown said. "Our chairman's statement to the council made that clear and we felt like we really didn’t have a choice."
Van Zandt said if the real issue is the scale and massing of the project, then the ARB should address the subject again.
"I just want to make sure we are not missing an opportunity to revisit the scale and massing of this project," he said.
Erik F. Nelson, Fredericksburg's senior planner, read from the code that says the ARB can reconsider its decision and the application if there is substantial change in facts, evidence or conditions related to the application. Lindauer argued that there aren't any substantial changes to the facts or conditions, therefore the ARB members should stick to voting on the certificate before them.
"The reason I am being so conservative here is that this board has a history of getting involved in matters that are not its charge," he said.
Van Zandt said if the ARB wants to send a message to City Council and the architects that the scale and massing of the project is out of character, then members should reconsider the March vote.
Brown said Lindauer's concerns are justified, "However, I also strongly believe that we felt like we did not have an option but to move forward with the scale and massing and I think everyone on the board had an objection to it," Brown said. "Now we find out today ... I may have an option to undo something that I did out of necessity, not out of choice. If that option exists tonight then I would choose to take that option."
But the ARB passed over reconsidering its March vote, and Lindauer then made a motion to table the decision on the Certificate of Appropriateness for the construction materials pending responses from the architects on the concerns members raised during the meeting. That motion passed 6-0.
Kenny Johnson
9:35 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Just to be clear here: the ARB did not approve of the Scale and Massing, but because they knew the City Council would overturn their vote, they voted to approve it? What a stupid logic. Do what is right. Do your job. If City Council wants to overturn / overrule your decision, so be it. I hope the entire ARB learned a lesson here: Do your job and let whatever happens after happen. To say you voted to approve something you didn't approve of is ludicrous.
Andrew Moore
12:10 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Although I would have characterized "appeared stumped" as "thoughtfully paused before replying," thanks for the thorough coverage. I do hope that the ARB can credibly discharge its responsibilities without succumbing to political pressure.
Dan Telvock
12:24 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Mr. Moore, thank you for the clarification, but it seemed obvious that no one considered using local stone for the project...and there is an opportunity to clear that up here if you wish in more detail. I welcome it.
Jamie Lindsay
1:35 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Hey Dan! Thanks so much for staying on this!
Andrew Moore
2:34 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Mr. Telvock - the selection of materials for a project is a complex process involving the influence of many factors and the characterization of the moment as an "obvious" lack of consideration for local stone is an oversimplification. In fact, we did consider the use of natural stone and would actually prefer its use. However, natural stone is, generally speaking, significantly more expensive than synthetic alternatives and there are many aspects of the project that demand balance against limited resources. The synthetic limestone we are proposing is widely recognized as a high-quality material with an indefinite lifespan and worthy for use in a civic building and was selected as an economical alternative to natural stone. My hesitation at answering the question during the meeting stemmed from mentally weighing the consequences of seriously entertaining natural stone as viable recommendation for the project, knowing the limits of the budget. That is why I answered that we could investigate its use - not referring to local stone specifically, but natural stone generally. And, if our investigation led us to believe it to be a viable alternative (possibly offsetting another aspect of the building), our first choice would be, in fact, something locally quarried.
Hamilton
12:43 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
From what I read, I think the Architect and the ARB process should start all over. If this is any indication of what we are getting for a $35mil courthouse complex, we need to pause... maybe a long pause until they get it 'right'.
Matthew Kelly
1:27 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Mr. Moore could you elaborate on your comment about, "succumbing to political pressure."
Andrew Moore
2:52 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Mr. Kelly - I was simply referring to the proper role of the ARB: evaluating the appropriateness of the design for the historic district based on the merits of the application and without undue regard for the political pressures surrounding the project.
Matthew Kelly
3:09 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Mr. Moore I would be interested in how you compare the public comments made at Monday night’s meeting with the comments made by ARB members during the discussion of their vote on scale and massing in regards to your definition of political pressure. I look forward to your response.
Andrew Moore
4:04 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Mr. Kelly - My perception of the public comments during the meeting was that many were directed at (1) the massing and scale of the project, an aspect that was approved at the March ARB meeting (irrelevant to Monday's meeting), and (2) the potential for the recent City Council elections to influence the project. The ARB discussion on Monday night regarding mass and scale seemed to revolve around the potential for reconsideration of the earlier approval in the context of the changes to City Council, not material changes to the design, i.e "new information." If the ARB is unduly influenced by the political climate, as opposed to discharging its responsibilities as defined by the City's code (i.e. considering the appropriateness of the project for the historic district based on the merits of the application and within the defined procedures), then I would consider the ARB to have succumbed to political pressure. As it stands, the official action of the ARB was to table the review pending responses to comments on the exterior materials of the project, an entirely appropriate action. I hope the ARB remains suitably focused.
Matthew Kelly
4:28 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Mr. Moore—Monday evening a majority, if not all of the ARB members present, stated that they did not support the scale and massing of the project and only went along with it because that were not presented with any other options or knew a negative decision would be overturned by the city. Was that the appropriate approach for the ARB to take in making their decision on the scaling and massing of the project based on your criteria?
Andrew Moore
4:53 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Mr. Kelly - No, that approach would not be appropriate for the ARB, assuming your characterization is correct. However, once having issued a certificate for appropriateness, regardless of the motivation, the conditions for revisiting an earlier decision require a significant change in the application. This condition provides stability to the process, prevents capricious decisions and provides credibility to the ARB.
Dan Telvock
1:35 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
Mr. Moore, thank you for responding to the questions. You said to an ARB member, "I think it is a fair question and I think we can look into that to see if we can find a natural stone alternative," he said. That implies that you never did look into a natural stone alternative. As you can read from this story, I heard pretty much everything because I recorded it. Normally, I would correct the story or clarify, but you have stepped up and clarified your statements and responses, and that is very much appreciated. Thank you.
Matthew Kelly
7:03 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
Mr. Moore--How would you characterized the statements made by ARB members Monday night on the issue of scale and massing?