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Pro Baseball Talks Begin in Fredericksburg Region

Fredericksburg Councilman Matt Kelly said regional dignitaries have discussed the idea of having a minor league baseball team somewhere in the Fredericksburg region.

 

The talks are preliminary and in the very early stages, but Fredericksburg City Council member Matt Kelly posed the question at Tuesday's council meeting: is there any interest in moving forward with bringing a minor league baseball team to the Fredericksburg region?

Kelly said representatives from Fredericksburg another other officials in the region visited the Southern Maryland Blue Crabs stadium in Waldorf, MD, on Aug. 9 to discuss how Charles County, MD, officials made it work in their community. Kelly and Fredericksburg Assistant City Manager Mark Whitley represented the city.

"It is a beautiful facility if anyone has a chance to go there," Whitley said.

Kelly said Opening Day Partners, which is one of the largest minor league baseball owners, operators and ballpark developers, was at the meeting. According to its website, communities considering whether minor league baseball is a good fit frequently turn to Opening Day Partners for the feasibility studies, design, construction and financing of ballparks. Former Fredericksburg Regional Chamber of Commerce President and former Spotsylvania County Board of Supervisors chairman Bob Hagan was the chief organizer of the Aug. 9 meeting.

"These discussions are ongoing and will probably continue to see where it goes," Kelly said.

Kelly said that the Blue Crabs stadium has more than 200 annual events, including concerts.

"Charles County is very happy with it," Kelly said. "This project by its nature will have to be a regional effort."

No other council members made comments about the idea.

The Southern Maryland Blue Crabs are part of the eight team Atlantic League. Brooks Robinson and Opening Day Partners own the team. The ballpark can seat 4,200 people plus lawn seating and skyboxes. The average attendance in 2011 was 3,294, below the league average of 4,085. Ticket prices are between $5 and $13 at the Blue Crabs' stadium. The Blue Crabs have about 70 home games a year.

A new stadium for a similar team in Sugar Land, Texas, opened this year at a cost of $35 million (separate of land costs), but the size is for 6,200 seats and as many as 10,000 concert seats. Sugar Land leaders picked a final site in May of 2010 and opened the stadium in April. The locality owns the Sugar Land stadium.

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  • Would you support having a pro baseball stadium in region if public money was used?

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Related Topics: Fredericksburg baseball, Opening Day Partners, and Southern Maryland Blue Crabs

Jason Atkinson

12:45 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

I would enjoy it myself. I would say that we are awfully close to The P-Nats in Woodbridge, but then the Crabs are just as close to the Bowie Baysox as well...

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L Rob

6:36 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Go Fredericksburg Colonials!!!! I want my season ticket. Great idea for this area. Make it happen....please. :-)

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pennie rose

8:13 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

It's a great idea. A win for all involved.

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Lisa Flyer

8:18 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Would love it! With traffic on 95 and the upcoming HOT lanes, the P-Nats might as well be in NYC for me to fight that mess. Go Fredericksburg!!!!

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COD

8:45 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

They could count on me for more than a few games a season.

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Debbie Novalski

9:21 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Would love this...how can I help to make it happen?

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Linda R

1:01 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Good question, Debbie. How can we help, other than comment on these articles?

howard

9:34 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Team is great idea- if tax $ pays for stadium, etc. what is the payback/return to tax payers? Probably shows in business plan for the team?

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Arnold Smithson

10:57 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

All the research on publicly funded stadiums (stadia?) are a bad investment. The teams and the city will make a bunch of arguments how it will benefit local businesses, small businesses and any number of other sympathetic groups, but the reality is that it's a huge cash suck that most cities can't afford.

I'd love a team, and I'd probably go to a few games a year, but while we're talking about being unable to afford this massive courthouse construction I don't see how we can afford a minor league baseball facility.

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Matthew Kelly

11:32 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Arnold—This would be a regional project. No one locality can, or should, foot the total bill for this project. In the case of the stadium in Waldorf the cost was broken out with 1/3 from the locality(s), 1/3 for the private sector (Opening Day Partners), and 1/3 from the state. Some thinking outside the box will be required because VA is not MD. As noted below more info will be put out for public comment as soon as possible.

Matthew Kelly

11:10 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

This is not just about baseball. The Waldorf, MD stadium, hosts over 200 events a year of which only 70 are baseball games. Right now the question for the region is whether we want to go down this road. Efforts are underway to get a Facebook and website up to provide more information and get community input. More to come.

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Arnold Smithson

12:23 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Councilman - I would argue that 2/3 public funding is far too much even if it's split among the localities and the state. I have plenty of places I'd rather see my tax dollars go than a baseball stadium, including education, fixing potholes, and even helping public employee salaries keep up with the cost of living. As a matter of principle, I don't really like the idea that my state taxes are paying for other people's minor league baseball stadiums so I wouldn't expect others to pay for mine.

If we're going in this direction though, the Waldorf approach seems to be the right way to go. I know major NFL stadiums aren't the same as a minor league baseball stadium in terms of scale, but the Nashville football stadium has been a rare success because they hold so many other events there every year. There's a substantial academic literature on stadium funding, and holding regular events beyond the sport seems to be the way to make money with something like this.

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howard

12:23 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

If having an additional facility for hosting public events is a financially prudent investment, then the private partnership will have no problem raising the capital. Perhaps even selling ownership shares to the public, (ex: Green Bay packers). - but not tax $$ to fund this.
PS If the investment is a good one- tell me again why the MD team might move from their current home?

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Jason Atkinson

2:05 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

My concern in that regard would be that this sounds an awful lot like the Expo Center...at least on the surface...

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Matthew Kelly

3:25 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Arnold--There is a fundamental question here. There have to be funds available to pay for teachers, roads, fire and police etc. Paying for these things has to be balanced by a community’s ability to pay. Another option is to invest funding that creates more revenue. The question is whether government should be in the investment business—spending money to make money? We can argue, and I share some of your concerns, whether this project will result in higher revenues. That is a case that will have to be made. Would be interested in your thoughts about public funding of stadiums, art centers, convention centers, etc?

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Matthew Kelly

3:26 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Jason--Could you elaborate on your Expo Center comment? That facility was privately funded.

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Jason Atkinson

3:32 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

If I am not mistaken, it ended being a rather large albatross around the neck of the city, which has subsidized it for some time. I am not involved all that much in city politics, it just seemed a comparison to consider was in order, given the "venue to host events" label being applied.

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Matthew Kelly

3:57 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Jason--The issue with the convention center is that it is a private, for profit, concern. Most convention centers are built and operated by localities. When bidding on events they are prepared to take a loss on the facility and make the money on meals and hotel nights. The Expo Center was not competitive. Funds were made available to subsidize their bids through the EDA (not taxpayer dollars but proceeds from bond sales) and were paid only if the event was secured. Not an issue that would be in play with a stadium/entertainment facility.

Arnold Smithson

12:31 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

More importantly, can we get a clarification from Dan on what the AP Stylebook says about the plural of "stadium" is please?

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Dan Telvock

12:38 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Just to be clear---the Blue Crabs are not leaving MD. This would be a new franchise for the area and locations are vague and won't be discussed until the group believes it has enough public support.

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Linda R

7:50 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Thanks for the clarification Dan. I think it would put us on the map. Make the Facebook page and watch the public support grow...we LOVE the Myrtle Beach Pelicans...and having a larger venue for some of our local events would be awesome!

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